DIY Carbon Fiber - Ben's Car Blog

11 Aug.,2025

 

DIY Carbon Fiber - Ben's Car Blog

Carbon fiber has always been appealing to me. Aesthetically, there’s just something about a well-crafted piece; the way the sun can catches the weave, highlighting the oddly satisfying, endlessly-repeating pattern. Functionally, parts constructed from composite materials are as strong as they are beautiful to look at. If you’ve ever picked up a finished carbon part, you know what I mean when I say its hard to imagine something being so strong yet so light!

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While carbon fiber as a material has existed for decades in one form or another, only recently have the materials become reasonably affordable and accessible to the weekend hobbyist. Back when I got my first car in the early ’s, carbon fiber was a material reserved for higher end luxury/performance vehicles and motorsport. Today, anybody with a little interest and spare time can churn out their own parts in their garage!

Strictly speaking, there are a huge variety of “composite” materials that can be used - kevlar, fiberglass, etc. -, as well as “pre-preg” varieties of each (in which the epoxy resin is pre-saturated in the material) but for the purpose of this guide, I’m going to focus solely on raw carbon fiber and using it for skinning (AKA wrapping) existing parts.

Carbon Skinning/Wrapping

Skinning is just what it sounds like - taking carbon composite fabric and creating a “skin” an existing part. While this process is, in theory, very similar to vinyl wrapping, the process is much more complex. In addition, the end result is a part that has all the aesthetic qualities of carbon fiber, but without the added complexity or headache of needing to make your own molds.

When doing traditional vinyl wrapping, you lay self-adhesive material on the part, using a little heat and encouragement to form the wrap around the curves/edges. Wrapping real carbon fiber however, is a much more intensive process. Since most raw carbon weave is just loose threads held together with tension, attempting to pull or form it around sharp corners will not only distort the weave itself, but you’ll be left with nasty looking edges. In addition, whereas most vinyls are self-adhesive, raw carbon requires a separate adhesive component to allow it to conform to and maintain the shape of the pieces its wrapped around.

In my research, I stumbled across Composite Envisions - a local company out of Wausau, Wisconsin that sells all kinds of composite materials and epoxies perfect for carbon fiber projects. After perusing their website, I decided to go with the following kit:

  • Carbon Fiber Part Wrapping Kit (S) - I decided on small size of this kit because it gave me plenty of material to experiment with and included pretty much everything I needed to get started! This was a huge help as I didn’t have to worry about figuring out which hardener to purchase or how much of each product I’d need. In addition, it comes with measuring cups, paint brushes, mixing sticks, etc.

In addition, there are a few miscellaneous items you’ll want to pick up:

  • Heat Gun - A heat gun can be a life saver when it comes to clearing air bubbles out of your epoxy or helping “flow” the epoxy after it’s laid up. It can also be used to help (carefully) accelerate the base and clear coat curing process.
  • Digital Kitchen Scale - Any variety of kitchen scale will do, but you’ll need something to help with measuring out your epoxies/hardeners.
  • Assorted Wet/Dry Sandpaper - You’ll want to grab plenty of each grit, but I tend to use 400, 800, , and the most.
  • 3M Super 77 Adhesive - This will be used for helping affix the carbon to your parts prior to layup.
  • Duplicolor Gloss Black Enamel - Having used a variety of Krylon, Rustoleum, and Duplicolor I can safely say the Duplicolor enamel line is probably the best “in a can” you can get. As a bonus, being an enamel means it’ll be much more durable than the alternative lacquer-based competition.
  • SprayMax 2K Clear Coat - This is hands down the best clear coat in a can you can buy. UV-resistant, extremely glossy, and crazy durable/wet sandable. It’s pricey but if you want a no-compromises finish it’s the way to go. Just be careful to always wear a mask when spraying!
  • 3M Respirator - Because $30 is cheap insurance for not coating your lungs with the nasty solvents/chemicals the epoxies and paints will throw off. Seriously - don’t mess around with that stuff.
  • Paper Towels - Cleaning up mixing cups, wiping up spills, etc. You’ll use a lot of these, so make a Costco run!
  • Isopropyl Alchohol - Diluted 50/50 with water in a spray bottle, IPA makes the perfect cleanup solution. I use it for cleaning out the mixing cups after wiping out the excess resin as well as cleaning my brushes. As a bonus, it’s handy to have around if you’re doing any polishing/compounding on your car as it will strip away any wax or dirt!

Step 2: Prep

The first step is to pick a part to wrap! After researching endlessly on the topic and reading nearly unanimously that your first few attempts would be shite, I threw caution to the wind and decided to try wrapping the shifter bezel on my WRX. I settled on the shifter trim for a few reasons: first of all, it’s much easier to learn how to wrap on a part with flat surfaces, and second, I really wanted to incorporate some carbon fiber in the center console area to break up all the black and grey plastic.

Uninstalling the shifter trim was as easy as unscrewing the shift knob and pulling upwards on the entire boot/trim assembly to release it from the center console. Getting the leather boot separated from the bezel itself proved a little more difficult, as there are a number of retaining clips that need to be loosened. Eventually though, I was able to get everything apart and was ready for the next step: preparing the surface of the part for the carbon and epoxy!

If the part you’re wrapping is any color other than black or dark gray (as the shifter trim is), I’d highly recommend throwing down a layer of black paint at this point. Depending on the grade/quality of carbon you use, there can be some separation of the weave during layup that will allow the original part’s color to show through. I ran into this issue when I wrapped my hazard button - I got lazy and forgot to paint, so unfortunately there is some OEM red plastic visible if you look verrrrry closely. If in doubt, save yourself the headache and just black everything out.

NOTE: Be sure to give your base coat plenty of time to cure - I’ve had issues where I’ve finished parts completely (clear coat and all) only to have them blister after a day in the hot sun. Not only is this extremely frustrating, it’s difficult to avoid without giving proper time for your paint to cure. Refer to the instruction label on your paint for specific timespans, but when in doubt give it a few days.

If you aren’t painting the surface of your part, this would be the time to rough it up with some sandpaper. I’ve found 800 grit creates a nice, coarse surface for the epoxy to bind to.

The final piece of the prep is to cut a sheet of carbon to size prior to layup. NOTE: Before handling the raw carbon, be sure to protect your hands with gloves. Carbon filaments are extremely fine and can be a skin irritant.

As I alluded to earlier, raw carbon is easily distorted, so using a light strip of masking/painters tape along the edges of your cuts to keep the weave from unraveling will save a ton of headache later on. Cutting the carbon itself can prove difficult as well - be sure to use a very sharp, heavy duty pair of shop scissors.

With your part prepped and the carbon cut to size, you’re ready to start the layup process!

Step 3: Carbon Layup

Because carbon fiber is actually relatively flexible, the process of affixing it to parts is actually quite straightforward. Unfortunately, because of its fragility in its raw state, you have pretty much one shot at setting the weave for layup. Trying to adjust it after the fact will only result in ruined carbon fiber and general sadness.

After much trial and error, I’ve found that a light mist of 3M Super 77 adhesive spray on the backsize of the carbon sheet provides a perfect amount of tackiness to affix the carbon sheet to the part. Depending on ambient temperature/climate, you may want to wait a few minutes for the adhesive to tack enough to keep the carbon contoured to the part. Once its set though, you should be able to lightly press the carbon fiber against the surface. Be careful and not drag or twist the weave once it’s set in place.

Once you’re confident with the placement, gently rub the carbon to affix the adhesive and begin conforming any edges or curves. In some cases, you may need to add some relief cuts to allow the carbon to bend more sharply - just be careful to not cut too close to the face of your part as the fabric may begin to unravel. You’ll need to wait a few hours for the adhesive to set up, but once everything seems secure and dry, you can lay the first application of epoxy resin.

I won’t go into much detail about resins, but suffice to say there’s generally two types: epoxy and polyester. Most fiberglass kits come with the latter as it is much cheaper and more forgiving. Unfortunately, polyester resin also smells terrible and doesn’t have a ton of structural rigidity (not ideal for carbon parts). Most carbon fiber kits will include epoxy-based resins due to their superior strength and clarity. All resins require two parts - the resin itself and a catalyst/hardener. Epoxy resins can be used with a variety of hardeners, each with their own mixing requirements and setup times, so refer to your specific kit’s labels for detailed instructions.

In my case, the Composite Envisions kit included a slow-cure hardener and epoxy resin. The slow-cure resin allows for maximum working time (before the epoxy starts to harden) which is perfect for beginners. In my case, the epoxy to hardener mixture ratio was 2:1, so I used a kitchen scale and the provided mixing cup to whip up a small batch (~30 oz total) for the first layer. Thoroughly mix the epoxy and hardener for about a minute.

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TIP: After mixing, hit the cup of epoxy with a heat gun to release any air bubbles prior to brushing it on your part - this will help prevent any pitting later in the process when it comes time to sand the epoxy down.

Once the epoxy is thoroughly mixed, grab a clean bristle brush and begin to lightly apply the epoxy to the carbon fiber. Be very gentle to not pull the carbon filaments, but use a light blotting motion to saturate the fabric. You don’t need to drown the carbon at this point, just apply enough to get the surface wet.

NOTE: Any unused epoxy will need to be disposed of properly. DO NOT POUR IT DOWN YOUR DRAIN. I use a few paper towels to soak up the leftover epoxy and a quick spritz of a diluted IPA solution to clean the mixing cup. Also be sure to properly clean your brush with mineral spirits/IPA if you plan to reuse it.

Depending on the type of catalyst used, cure times will vary greatly - again refer to your bottle’s labeling for specific setup and cure times. In my case, after a few hours the epoxy was setup enough to apply a second coat.

Step 4: Sanding

After a few coats of epoxy have been applied and cured fully, you can safely trim away excess cured epoxy with a pair of sharp scissors and/or a dremel cutoff wheel.

With the part prepped it’s time sand the surface smooth! Starting with 400 grit (wetsanding may be helpful), gently level the surface of the part. Be careful not too be too aggressive and burn through to the carbon. If you do, it’s not a big deal - there’ll be a few more coats of epoxy applied before the end! Focus on taking down the high spots and preparing the surface for it’s finished layer of clear coat.

Depending on how many layers of epoxy you originally applied, you may want to layup a few more after sanding. Repeat the process until you’ve achieved a perfectly level surface - free of pitting and/or voids. Then, gradually work your way up to finer and finer grits of sandpaper (I usually do 400, 800, and if needed). Once you’ve removed all of the deep scratches, you should be left with a nearly perfect matte finish ready for clear coat!

Step 5: Clear Coat

While epoxy-based clear coats are extremely resilient when cured, they aren’t UV-resistant. This can be problematic for parts used in cars as they’ll gradually yellow and fade over time. Thankfully using a quality clear coat over the epoxy is an easy solution!

If you have access to a paint booth/professional quality sprayer system, I’m jealous and you should let me use it. In all seriousness, while a compressed air system is the ideal solution, most DIYers like myself just don’t have the space or need for something that complex. Some quick Googling would suggest rattle can clear coats miss the cut due to their poor quality, inconsistent finishes. However, for a little more money than your typical aerosol clear coat, you can in fact get a pro-grade finish in a can!

Two stage clear coats (often referred to as “2k”) are different than the off-the-shelf alternatives from Krylon, Duplicolor, etc. SprayMax makes a great 2k clear coat that still comes in a single can, but utilizes a manually activated second stage mixture to create a much more durable finish. Their cans come with a second cap that is placed on the bottom of the can and gets whacked to release the catalyst/hardener.

Unfortunately, the nature of two stage clear coats is such that the mixture has a pot life of only about two days. At ~$20/can, they’re still miles cheaper than a full setup.

Application is no different than a traditional clear coat - be sure to wipe your parts down with a diluted IPA solution prior to applying anything. You want to be sure the clear coat has the cleanest possible surface to stick to! Lay the clear in light, even coats leaving 5-10 minutes between applications. The SprayMax should lay extremely glossy but be careful to avoid runs with too thick of coats - be patient! After laying the last coat, it’ll dry to the touch in a few hours, but you’ll need to give about 24 hours before any finishing/sanding can be done.

Once you’re happy with the finish, congratulations - you’re ready to reinstall your parts!

Conclusion

As you can see, wrapping your parts with carbon isn’t all that difficult. While it is time consuming and requires a lot of sanding, polishing, and refining, the end results are 100% worth it. Not to mention, you can proudly display your carbon-wrapped parts in your own car knowing you did all the hard work!

Stay tuned - in an upcoming post, I’ll be going over the steps to create your own carbon fiber parts from custom molds!

I’ve created a “lessons learned” post as an update to this original post here. If you’re looking for more info on working with carbon fiber, be sure to check it out!

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Author Message garyH ANSWER HOT Group: Forum Members
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Hi,

Basically im wanting to build a crazy v8 mk2 mr2 with custom body kit, front and rear clam type boot/bonnet, slightly lengthened and a tad wider.. can you advice me on the type of carbon fibre would be best suited for looks and light weight? how much carbon fibre would be needed to do a pretty much an entire outer shell? also wanting to custom engine parts / inlet etc and a carbon dash... i've done alot with fibre glass but i think my project needs to be carbon as im wanting to show it on completion, advice on materials and prices would be great.

Thanks

Gary
Edited 13 Years Ago by garyH Matt (Staff) ANSWER HOT Group: Forum Members
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OK, this is a big project with a lot involved but I’ll try to cover it as best as I can. If you go ahead and buy these materials (or something similar) from us then we’d be only too happy to provide more detailed information on each step, as you go.

Getting the Pattern Right

To make your own replacement carbon fibre body panels the first thing you’ll need is the ‘pattern’ of the parts. As you probably know the pattern is the male form of the part, exactly as you want the finished part to be (even though it can be made out of just about anything). Given that you’re starting with an MR2 but want to modify it then the obvious thing is to just start using foam (normally PU foam) and bodyfiller to alter the styling or proportions of the existing bodywork until you’ve got it to the shape you want the new body kit to be. Modifying the existing panels in this way is going to be a messy process and not really reversible without a lot of work.

Once you’ve got the shape how you want it, you’ll need to get the finish right too before you’re ready to pull moulds off the pattern. We would strongly recommend using a 2-pack (2k) filler primer sprayed through a gun. These are the primers that bodyshops use when they’ve done repairs – they’re high-build (so the fill any texture in the surface) and are very polish-able when they’re cured. You may well need to spray a couple of thick coats, then flat the surface, then spray again (and maybe flat and spray yet again) until you get the new contours really smooth (no ‘wobble’) and glossy. Given the size of the panels you’re going to be making, I recommend investing in a random orbit palm sander like the Mirka Ceros (an amazing bit of kit) because by hand you’re probably looking at hundreds of hours of flatting and polishing.

Once you’ve got the pattern (i.e. your modified body panels) looking really nice, you’re ready to take moulds off them…

Making Moulds of Car Body Panels

Car body panels, particularly a whole car’s worth, represent a lot of moulds and are in themselves quite large moulds. This means that you need a tooling system (a mould making system) that’s cost effective and zero shrink (normal polyester resin and chopped strand mat will shrink, particularly on larger moulds, which means the replacement panels you make using them would not fit back on the car properly). Our system for making large, zero shrink moulds is called Uni-Mould. Not only is it cost effective, it’s also designed to be compatible with any resin system meaning that once you’ve made the moulds, you could use them to make top end carbon fibre/epoxy parts or low-end csm/polyester panels.

You would need to add flanges to all of the panels. There are various ways to do this but probably the most common is bendy-board (thin MDF with lots of grooves in one side) or fibreboard (like the bottom of the drawers in cheap furniture) which are fixed in place with a hot-melt glue gun and then made ‘none-stick’ using masking tape with mould release wax on the masking tape.

To give you a really rough idea about how much Uni-Mould you would need to make a whole set of moulds for a car, I would think it would be something like 100kgs of Uni-Mould Tooling Resin, 25kgs of Uni-Mould Coupling Coat and 10kg of Uni-Mould Tooling Gel Coat. In addition you’d want about 10kgs of 150g CSM (Chopped Strand Mat) and 35kg of 450g CSM.

Here's links to the materials used in the Uni-Mould system:

Uni-Mould Tooling Gel Coat
Uni-Mould Coupling Coat
Uni-Mould Tooling Resin

Before pulling the mould, you would obviously prepare the surface of the pattern panels with a suitable release agent. Our Easy-Lease would work well or you could use wax and PVA.

There are some specific steps to follow when using the Uni-Mould system but most of the process is just like normal fibre-glassing. If you want to read up in advance then take a look at the Introduction and Application guide for the system.

Making the Replacement Carbon Fibre Car Body Panels

Now you get to the fun part, making the carbon fibre replacement panels. For panels this size where you’re after a show quality finish and want them to be as strong and light as possible then you really only have one choice for making them and that is to use a process known as resin infusion. In this process the moulds (made from Uni-Mould as described in the previous section) are prepared with a chemical release agent before carbon fibre fabric is laid dry into the mould (along with any other reinforcement that are being used such as glass or Kevlar and any core materials) and then the whole mould is enclosed in a special vacuum bag. The bag is connected to a vacuum pump and the pump sucks all of the air out of the bag, pressing the carbon and other reinforcements hard against the mould’s surface.

Once this has been done a special ‘infusion’ epoxy resin is allowed to be sucked into the mould and infuses through the reinforcement, wetting it as it goes. The resin supply is then clamped off and in many instance the pump is clamped off to and can be switched off. Once the panel has cured it can be removed from the mould. If the mould has a smooth, glossy surface then the part will have exactly the same smooth glossy surface. Resin infused panels will pretty much be as strong and light as any carbon fibre part could be with no trapped air-bubbles and no voids or defects.

To get a good understanding of the resin infusion process, please take a look at the video for our Resin Infusion Starter Kit which shows us making a large carbon fibre bonnet scoop using this technique. Although whole body panels are larger than the scoop we make in the video, the process would be exactly the same and the vacuum pump we include in the kit would be more than adequate for any size car panel.

The reinforcement for the panels themselves could be almost any combination of carbon, Kevlar and core material, depending on how strong or how light you want the finished panels to be. For race car parts we sometimes only use 1 layer of 200g and 1 layer of 450g. This makes for a carbon panel only 0.75mm thick, clearly this is very thin (and so very light) but it certainly wouldn’t be enough for daily use.

A really nice combination for body panels (which I know we supply to many companies making such parts) is a single layer of 200g carbon, a single layer of 3mm Soric SF core material and then a final layer of 200g carbon on the inside to balance the laminate (make is symmetrical). This layup has two advantages, one is that the 3.5mm overall thickness seems to be a nice thickness for a body panel, proving to be plenty strong enough and yet, because the core is low density, very light. The other advantage of using Soric is that it acts as an internal flow media for the resin infusion process meaning that you don’t need peel ply or infusion mesh – instead the resin runs through the Soric and wets out the surrounding carbon.

To give you an idea of costings on the panels themselves, you’d be using a combination of 1m wide, 1.25m wide and possible (in places) 1.5m wide carbon cloth. The classic fabric for the surface of your moulds is 200g 2/2 twill. There’s some links to those fabrics below:

1m Wide 200g 2/2 Twill Carbon Fibre Fabric
1.25m Wide 200g 2/2 Twill Carbon Fibre Fabric
1.5m Wide 200g 2/2 Twill Carbon Fibre Fabric


If you went with the layup I’ve suggested (200g carbon, 3mm Soric SF, 200g carbon) then you’d need 2sqm of carbon cloth and 1sqm of Soric for every 1sqm of body panel you’ll be making. If we have a wild guess at 15m sqm of body panel on your car then you’re talking 30sqm of 2/2 twill, 15m of Soric SF and 21kg of IN2 Epoxy Infusion Resin in the finished panels. Given waste and the way the different shapes will come out of the material I think you’d need to consider at least 30kgs of infusion resin, 20m of Soric SF and up to 40sqm of carbon fibre cloth.

It’s a considerably investment but then, including purchasing all of the mould materials, vacuum equipment and materials to make the parts you’re still going to be looking at considerably less than the cost of purchasing those parts and they’re likely to be much stronger and lighter (and of course made to your unique shape) than anything you could buy.

I hope this helps and look forward to supplying you.

Matt Statham
Easy Composites / Carbon Mods - Technical Sales
garyH ANSWER HOT Group: Forum Members
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Thanks for getting back to me.. tbh im still abit confused to how much stuff i will need.  would you be able to create a basket / wish listof everything i will need for overall price, including for making moulds.. iwant to have a rough idea of how much it will be for all materials involvedboth body and moulds / resins etc... i know it is a lot to ask but ive neverbought carbon fibre before and never done a project to this scale...
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Hi Gary,

OK, here’s a complete list of materials, equipment and supplies you would need from start to finish to modify your existing car panels, finish them (to make your pattern), take moulds from them and then make a complete set of carbon fibre panels for your car. I don’t know the exact dimensions of your car and even if I did there’s still a lot of guesswork around what size pieces of carbon fabric would be required for the different panels but I’ve done my best…

List of materials for modifying your body panels:

1.22m x 2.44m (8’ x 4’) block of low density PU foam (100mm thick) - £153.75
Maybe 10-20 tubs of polyester bodyfiller (we don’t sell this but any bodyshop supplier will)           
5L 2K filler primer paint (we don’t sell this but any car paint supplier will)   
Lots of abrasive paper (we don’t sell the coarser grits but a bodyshop supplier will)
A random orbit palm sander and sanding pads
A polishing machine with mops
Polishing compound

List of materials for making moulds for a complete set of car body panels:

300g Tin of Number 8 Mould Release Wax - £12.50
1L PVA Mould Release Agent - £6.55
100kgs Uni-Mould Tooling Resin - £735.00
25kgs Uni-Mould Coupling Coat - £159.60
10kgs Uni-Mould Tooling Gel Coat - £31.50
33kgs 450gsm Chopped Strand Mat - £105.00
10kgs 150gsm Chopped Strand Mat - £75.00
75mm Plastic Finned Roller - £5.20
Box of 100 Nitrile Gloves - £4.99
5L Acetone - £10.00
Box of 12 3” Laminating Brushes - £16.47

COMPLETE COST FOR THE MOULDS: £.21

List of equipment for manufacturing a complete set of car body panels:

Composites Vacuum Pump - £169.95
Professional Resin Infusion Catch-Pot - £79.95
30m Coil Clear PVC Vacuum Hose - £21.95
4x Infusion Line Clamps - £18.00
4x Infusion Silicone Connectors - £13.00
4x 10m Pack of Infusion Spiral - £14.00
5m Breather Cloth - £7.50
100m Roll Vacuum Bagging Film - £188.50
20roll box of Vacuuum Bagging Gum Tape - £59.49

COMPLETE COST FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND CONSUMABLES: £572.34

List of materials for manufacturing a complete set of car body panels:

1L Easy-Lease Chemical Release Agent - £23.75
5m 1.5m Wide Carbon Fibre Cloth - £180.00
25m 1m Wide Carbon Fibre Cloth - £487.50
30m Lantor Soric SF 3mm - £294.90
31kgs of IN2 Epoxy Infusion Resin - £362.48

COMPLETE COST FOR THE MATERIALS TO BUILD THE BODY PANELS: £.63


I really hope that's pretty clear. With most of what's listed above you do need to check the quantities against your project but to my best ability, that's what you'd need to do the whole car from start to finish.

Matt Statham
Easy Composites / Carbon Mods - Technical Sales
Edited 14 Years Ago by Matt (Staff) Carbon Tuner ANSWER HOT Group: Forum Members
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Looking forward to seeing some pics on this for sure!

Have you got started yet?



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Volvofan ANSWER HOT Group: Forum Members
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Sir-

Thanks for all the time you took to post such a detailed response and provide a bill of materials as well. 

I am considering a similar project.  No doubt this is a significant investment of time and money, but worth it in the end if conditions permit.  I have done a fair amount of research on this forum, other forums, your instructional videos, etc.  I have a masters-level Mechanical Engineering background so understand conceptually what is involved at just about every level (in terms of material properties, chemical interactions, proper mould design, etc.).  Like the original poster, my practical experience is rather limited, and never for a part that needed to be structural... and cosmetic... and large. 

After reviewing all the information at hand, I have a few technical questions about the process that will probably gnaw at me until I've got them sorted in my head (I'm the type to "build" something mentally about a hundred times before I ever buy materials and start construction):

1) For a large and/or complex shape like a one-piece car nose, I would imagine that a multi-part mould may be necessary.  Given that the resin infusion technique provides the best shot for a relative newbie like me to produce a cosmetically-presentable, lightweight, structurally sound part if all instructions are carefully followed, how does one handle the parting lines when doing resin infusion?  Specifically, assuming a multi-part mould with a well-designed and secured parting line:

        a)  How do you make the parting lines vacuum tight?  Sealant tape on the flange?  Mould a channel for sealant tape? 

        b)  How do you maintain the cosmetic integrity of the part?  Fill the parting line gap on the mould side with gelcoat and polish it flawless (a solution for production of only a very few number of parts... i.e. ONE or maybe two, since it would obviously crack away as soon as you separated the mould and would have to be redone every time)?  Fill it with filleting wax or sealant tape or ???? and doing the corrective work on the part itself to sand down the extra resin?

2) For a piece like a one-piece car nose done in exposed (cosmetically visible) CF, it is too complex to be formed from a flat sheet without cutting or some other form of pre-forming, and is also too wide to be covered by a single width.  I'd like to hear your thoughts on the ideas below:

        a)  Can two sheets of CF be joined together with a simple sewing operation in a presentable way without the need for industrial equipment?  For example, laying two 1.5m sheets on top of each other and running the edge through a sewing machine to get an ~3m wide cloth.  How viable is this from a cosmetic perspective?  If making a CF-Soric-CF sandwich, one would obviously want to back any seams with reinforcement or perhaps do a full second layer behind the cosmetically presentable one.

        b)  If sewing CF to meet size requirements is possible, could this concept be extended to sewing a full pre-formed 3D pattern?  I.e., draping paper over the plug, making cut lines and folds in order to then transfer that to a piece of CF fabric to be cut out and pre-sewn into a 3D shape loosely conforming to the mould shape?  What is your experience with the challenges and resulting finished product quality associated with this approach?

Thanks in advance for sharing your expertise with me and the rest of the community!

Best wishes,

-Jon
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Hi Jon,

It's good to have you on board. Few projects this size get past the planning stage but when they have, like Andy's rear clip for his Noble, they can go really well and be very rewarding projects. Answers to your questions as follows:

a)  How do you make the parting lines vacuum tight?  Sealant tape on the flange?  Mould a channel for sealant tape? 

If you're vacuum bagging against the mould's flange (i.e. not envelope bagging the whole thing) then one technique for sealing the flanges is to use a small bead of silicone sealant near the edge of the flange where the moulds will come together. Silicone sealant will make an airtight seal but won't prevent you from separating the two moulds when it's time to de-mould the part. It will peel off the moulds easily ready to use the next time.

The other alternative is to spray a gelcoat surface onto the inside of your moulds, once they're fixed together. The gelcoat itself will for an airtight seal over the seam. If you do this, use a special gelcoat like our GC50 Epoxy Compatible Polyester Gelcoat. 

b)  How do you maintain the cosmetic integrity of the part?  Fill the parting line gap on the mould side with gelcoat and polish it flawless (a solution for production of only a very few number of parts... i.e. ONE or maybe two, since it would obviously crack away as soon as you separated the mould and would have to be redone every time)?  Fill it with filleting wax or sealant tape or ???? and doing the corrective work on the part itself to sand down the extra resin?

Almost always, if you are making a part as large as a multi-mould car panel then generally you would be painting it afterwards either with coloured paint or with a clear 2k lacquer/clear coat, meaning that the flash lines where the moulds have come together are not a problem. You would flat them before painting and then just paint over them whereby they would disappear. Alternatively, if you've gelcoated your part then you should just be able to flat the flash line away and polish the seam to be left with no visible seam.

a) Can two sheets of CF be joined together with a simple sewing operation in a presentable way without the need for industrial equipment? For example, laying two 1.5m sheets on top of each other and running the edge through a sewing machine to get an ~3m wide cloth. How viable is this from a cosmetic perspective? If making a CF-Soric-CF sandwich, one would obviously want to back any seams with reinforcement or perhaps do a full second layer behind the cosmetically presentable one.

No, you can't stitch carbon fibre together. Where possible you avoid having a join-line. If you need to have a join-line (i.e. widths over 1.5m or when the contours of the mould require relief cuts) then we would suggest using ProFinish Carbon Fibre so that you have have really neat cut-lines. ProFinish carbon fibre has a binder on the back to hold it together well meaning it's much less likely to distort and it won't fray at all on cut lines. Using this material it's possible to arrange a 'V' shape stright down the middle of a panel (like you would see on a Pagani Zonda for example).

b)  If sewing CF to meet size requirements is possible, could this concept be extended to sewing a full pre-formed 3D pattern?  I.e., draping paper over the plug, making cut lines and folds in order to then transfer that to a piece of CF fabric to be cut out and pre-sewn into a 3D shape loosely conforming to the mould shape?  What is your experience with the challenges and resulting finished product quality associated with this approach?

As above; you can't (successfully) stitch carbon fibre together.

I hope this helps and look forward to working with you.

--Matt

Matt Statham
Easy Composites / Carbon Mods - Technical Sales
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Matt-

Thanks so much for your reply and for sharing your expertise. 

This is indeed an ambitious project to say the least, but we'll see if I'm able to put some traction to it once the project gets to that stage (which is probably a couple years away if I'm lucky!). 

Conceptually it seems like I'm trying to "have my cake and eat it too" by trying to mould a large, complex part that has the CF exposed for cosmetic reasons.  Exposed CF plus relatively simple part (car hood, trunk lid, etc) = doable if shape and size/contours permit.  Large, complex, painted part = doable because the underlying fiber structure with all the cosmetically "ugly" relief cuts and join lines would be painted or gelcoated over. 

If I understand you correctly, the multi-part mould is not really a "show stopper" for cosmetically perfect exposed CF parts... the mould parts are sealed as you describe below (the UV-resistant clear gelcoat sounds like a good choice since the tackiness would aid in positioning the first layer of fabric), then after de-moulding the gelcoat flash lines are flatted/polished, then the final part is painted with lacquer / clear-coat.  Voila, no evidence of the parting line.

Sounds like the biggest obstacle to pulling off what I'm envisioning is the complexity of the part.  Even with ProFinish, laying up the outermost layer of CF in a large mould like a single piece nose or rear clip while keeping the relief cuts cosmetically acceptable sounds like it may be a bridge too far.  Also, since it appears only the 2x2 twill is available in ProFinish, that limits my options cosmetically.  I presume that the ProFinish process is proprietary and/or not able to be applied to dry CF by an end-user?  There are some pretty neat "patterned" CF fabrics out there now that would make a great "rally stripe" on an exposed CF panel!

Thanks again for the assistance,

-Jon
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thanks to all of you for these great questions and answers. I have no degrees in these fields. I am considered an old hick around here and when I want or need something i just go build it. from new tools to new toys and have another project in mind. all of your talks here have helped me to grasp concepts and processes and will save me a whole lot of time and money on mistakes. thanks again to you all, Nate
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