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I have a call in to Nick A. of FHWA to further discuss the MGS Thrie Beam Median Barrier concept, especially in terms of minimum height and blockout configuration. While we wait for that discussion, I scanned through our Pooled Fund Consulting website to review our prior guidance on thrie beam related issues that seem very relevant. As you will see, several items may be critical, including rail height, post type, blockout size/type/length, rail-to-post attachment, etc. These items will certainly affect the overall configuration.
Ron
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Thrie Beam Blockouts
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State WI
Description Text We would like some guidance on the appropriate blockout to use for a standard thrie beam, both for wood posts and steel posts.


WisDOT is working on developing a thrie beam bullnose terminal based on the MwRSF design(report TRP-03-95-00, 6-1-) that was approved by FHWA (11-8- letter, HSA-1/HSA-cc68). The blockout for the standard thrie beam construction from posts 9 to 12 is shown as 360 mm (14.17 in) high.


Sheet 2 of Minnesota DOT's Standard No. 5-297.611 "Thrie Beam Bullnose Guardrail for Medians" (dated 8-20-), which is based on the approved MwSRF design uses a 22-inch high blockout.
Keywords • Guardrail
Other Keywords none
Date May 10,

Response
Response Per your inquiry, I have summarized several of the successful thrie beam transition tests that have been conducted according to the NCHRP Report No.
350 requirements. They are as follows:

No. 1 - Wood Post - Wood Blockout
                550 mm center rail height
                804 mm top rail height
                150 mm by 200 mm by 554 mm blockouts
                150 mm by 200 mm by 1.9 m posts
                0.68 m dynamic deflection
                TL-3 pickup truck test (-11)

No. 2 - Steel Post - Modified Steel Blockout
                610 mm center rail height
                864 mm top rail height
                W360x33 tapered blockouts
                W150 x14 posts
                0.71 m dynamic deflection
                TL-4 single-unit truck test (-5a)

                610 mm center rail height
                864 mm top rail height
                M14x18 tapered blockouts
                W6 x9 posts
                1.02 m dynamic deflection
                TL-3 pickup truck test (-30)

No. 3 - Steel Posts - Routed Wood Blockout
                550 mm center rail height
                804 mm top rail height
                150 mm by 200 mm by 554 mm routed blockouts
                W150 x14 posts
                0.58 m dynamic deflection
                TL-3 pickup truck test (-10)

In summary, you can use either the long wood blocks, shortened wood blocks, or even the tapered steel blocks in combination with the standard thrie beam guardrail systems after post no. 9.
Date May 15,


Thrie Beam Height Guidance
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State IA
Description Text Are you aware of any minimum and/or maximum allowable height guidance for thrie-beam guardrail?
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Date September 21,

Response
Response I am not aware of a documented height tolerance for thrie beam guardrail systems. Initially, one may attempt to argue that the minimum height could be as low at that corresponding to W-beam guardrail systems. However, I would suspect that mounting thrie beam with a top height of 27¾ in. would potentially increase the propensity for vehicle climb, barrier override, and/or rollover upon redirection due to the increase face below normal W-beam rail with same top height.

At this time, the roadside safety community has considered the minimum top height for W-beam rail to be approximately 27¾ in., while the maximum top height for the MGS is 32 in. At the minimum W-beam top height, a thrie beam element would extend downward to 7¾ in., thus potentially creating new safety risks. Selected thrie beam guardrail systems have successfully met crash testing guidelines when installed with a top height of 34 in. As such, it is my opinion that the minimum height tolerance for modified thrie beam guardrail may be somewhere around 31 in. for NCHRP 350, while the top height tolerance may be closer to 39 to 40 in. at the TL-3 impact conditions.

Thrie beam has been successfully crash tested over the years. Below, I have provided a few of the test results but not those for the T-39 thrie beam guardrail system.

Test No.                             System Description                                                                                                                           Top Rail Height                                     Result
-5a                                               Modified Thrie Beam w/ 81” Steel Post & Tapered Block                                     34”                                        Passed S TL-4 test
-11                                               Strong-Post Thrie Beam w/ 81” Wood Post & Wood Block                                  31.65”                                Passed P TL-3 test
-10                                               Thrie Beam w/ 81” Steel Post and Routed Wood Block                                         31.65”                                Passed P TL-3 test
-31                                               Thrie Beam (G9) w/ 78” Steel Post and Steel Block                                                   32”                                        Failed P TL-3 test
-30                                               Modified Thrie Beam w/ 81” Steel Post and Tapered Block                                33.6”                                   Passed P TL-3 test
Recent Test                                             Thrie Beam (G9) w/ 78” Steel Post and Full-Depth Wood Block                       31.5”                                   Failed P TL-3 test (MASH)

Although I have yet to see the results of the recent failed MASH test, it would seem reasonable that improved safety performance could be obtained by using a shortened wood blockout or the modified steel tapered (collapsible) blockout – both of which reduced climb and allow the lower corrugation to fold back.
Date December 13,

Thrie Beam Bullnose Post Length after Post 9
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State KS
Description Text What is the allowable post length for the crash tested options for thrie beam guardrail systems? We wlould like to know what post length is acceptable beyond post 9/10 in bullnose. We would like to use 6 ft.
Keywords • Bullnose Median Barrier & Short Radius
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Date February 10,

Response
Response We reviewed the prior research and found that three different thrie beam configurations have met the 350 safety standards. They are listed below. Upon inspection, it would seem appropriate to maintain the use of 6.5 ft long posts for the standard wood post thrie beam guardrail.

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Summary

1. Standard Thrie Beam (G9) system did not pass 350 – 6.5 ft W6x9 posts with 21.5” long W6x9 blockouts w/ 32”rail height
2. Modified Thrie Beam = 6’-9” long W6x9 posts with 49.5”embedment and 18” deep M14x18 blockouts w/ 33.6” rail height
a. Tested to TL-3 and Tl-4
3. Thrie beam with 6’-9” long W6x9 posts with 49.5”embedment and 6”x8”x21.8” long routed wood blocks passed NCHRP 350 w/ 31.65”rail height
4. Thrie beam with 78” long 6”x8” SYP posts and 6”x8”x21.8”long routed wood blocks passed NCHRP 350 w/ 31.65” rail height

Short answer, 81” long posts for steel and 78” long wood have passed.
Date February 11,

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2.1 Midwest Guardrail System

KYTC currently uses Midwest Guardrail System (MGS) for new installations of standard guardrail and corresponding end treatments. MGS is a non-proprietary steel or wood post W-beam guardrail system that meets MASH Test Level 3 criteria. The system adopts a typical W-beam guardrail with the following characteristics:

• 31-inch top of rail mounting height and tolerance of +/- 1 inch (see Section 3.5, Guardrail Height).
• Minimum 6-foot-long W6 x 9 steel posts or 6-inch x 8-inch wood posts

o Longer posts may be used (e.g., 7 feet or 9 feet) (see Section 5.1, Strengthening Guardrail).

• 6 inch x 8 inch routed or non-routed wood or composite plastic offset blocks
• Mid-span rail splices

o MGS relocates the splice (weakest link) away from the highest stress point at the post and blockout.

For MGS installations, contractors must use W-beam panels that are 12 feet 6 inches or 25 feet in length, but they may employ a 6-foot 3-inch panel at the end of the run.

2.2 Strong-post W-Beam Guardrail System

Prior to the standard guardrail in Kentucky was the strong-post W-beam. It consists of wood or steel posts that support a W-beam rail element blocked out from the posts. Blockouts are typically made of timber or composite plastic and are 6 or 8 inches deep and 6 inches wide. The strong-post W-beam meets NCHRP 350 Test Level 3 criteria and was mainly used before the adoption of MASH testing criteria. Strong-post W-beam guardrail systems have been installed at different heights, ranging between 27 to 29 inches.

Although the Cabinet has adopted MGS for all new installations, many miles of strong-post W-beam barrier have been installed based on previous NCHRP 350 guidance. Many of these systems have and should continue to have acceptable real-world performance. Raising all existing guardrail systems to meet current criteria is neither cost-effective nor practical. KYTC maintenance crews will continue to maintain strong-post W-beam guardrail systems until they reach the end of their service lives.

2.3 Alternative Guardrail Systems (Non-standard in Kentucky)

Other approved guardrail types may be used on Kentucky highways. Examples of alternative guardrail systems include the weak post W-beam, Weathering Steel Guardrail, and Steel Backed Timber Guardrail. If an alternative guardrail is utilized, it should be appropriate for the road context. Use of an alternative guardrail system requires written justification. The Division a project originates in — Division of Highway Design or Division of Maintenance — is responsible for reviewing and approving the use of alternative guardrail systems.

2.4 Temporary Guardrail Installations

Contractors that install a temporary guardrail during construction must comply with construction requirements for permanent guardrail.

3.1 Barrier Warrants

See the HKP article, Roadside Safety (coming soon), for a discussion of barrier warrants.

3.2 Length of Need (LON)

The LON is the length of barrier required to adequately shield the object or area of concern and prevent a vehicle from reaching the shielded feature. The length of guardrail must be sufficient to properly shield the object or area of concern, which is critical for roadside safety. See the HKP article, Roadside Safety (coming soon), for a discussion of LON.

During project design, the designer determines whether to install guardrail and calculates the LON. The LON is then used to lay out the guardrail system, and the designer notes on the plans where to install guardrail. If possible, designers should take steps such as flattening slopes with excess earthwork material (where field conditions allow) to reduce the need for guardrail. Refer to KYTC’s Standard Drawings and to AASHTO’s Roadside Design Guide guidance on lateral offsets, barrier deflection, terrain effects, flare rates, and LON.

KYTC measures guardrail quantity in linear feet. The distance is measured along the actual length of the rail between the limits of end treatments, terminal sections and bridge end connections, and crash cushions. Shop curved guardrail is measured in linear feet at 1.3 times the actual length.

Designers commonly design guardrail in to the nearest 12-foot-6-inch or 25-foot increment. A 6-foot-3-inch increment may be used if needed. Field conditions often differ from what plans depict, which can in turn affect the quantity of guardrail needed. Construction Engineers have the final responsibility for determining the placement and installed length of guardrail. A best practice for designers is to slightly overestimate guardrail length so that any construction field adjustments result in a negative-cost change order.

During construction, a guardrail is constructed to the alignment and at the locations shown in the Contract. Sometimes field conditions require that the amount and location of installed guardrail be adjusted. Before ordering guardrail materials, the Engineer and Contractor should meet on the job site to verify the LON and end treatment locations designated in the plans are appropriate for the field conditions. Adjustments should be made as needed. The LON, final location, and end treatment types are approved by the Construction Engineer.

Where possible, construction personnel should flatten earth-fill slopes using excess fill material to attain a clear zone and remove or minimize the need for guardrail. When laying out guardrail field installations, the Engineer should consult with the Roadway Designer when questions arise.

3.3 Minimum Guardrail Length

A guardrail installation should have a minimum length of 200 feet (including the end treatments) as this ensures adequate tensile strength for the system to perform well. In some cases, field conditions may warrant a shorter installation, which is acceptable. In these cases, consider strengthening the guardrail (see Section 5.1, Strengthening Guardrail). Similarly, if a guardrail will be installed prior to a fixed object, minimum guardrail length (including end treatments) should be 200 feet. Again, this length may be reduced if field conditions warrant.

3.4 Gaps in Guardrail Installations

Avoid short gaps between two guardrail installations. If connection gaps between barrier termini are less than 200 feet, the installations should be connected as a single run. Installing additional guardrail will be easier to maintain and less expensive than two end treatment installations. Exceptions may be necessary to provide access to locations behind the guardrail (for mowing and other maintenance tasks) or for other project considerations.

3.5 Height of Guardrail

Guardrail system performance is tied closely to the height of the W-beam rail element. Installation height is computed by taking a measurement at the center of the rail, at the bolt. Here, the height is measured from either the pavement surface, theoretical pavement, nominal terrain, or gutter pan to the top of the rail. A guardrail should be installed to the true gradient with no sags.

3.6 Where is the Height of the Guardrail Measured From?

The method used to measure guardrail height varies based on guardrail location. Five scenarios and their corresponding methods are described on the following page.

3.7 Lateral Placement of Guardrail in the Shoulder

To give vehicles sufficient opportunity to recover without impacting an obstacle, place guardrail as far away from the traveled way as practical. Typically, guardrail is installed in the shoulder 2 feet from the slope break hinge point (see Section 3.10, Soil Backing). Narrow shoulders are often widened to facilitate guardrail placement.

The usable shoulder is the width available for vehicles to make an emergency stop or parking stop. The graded shoulder is distance from the edge of the travel lane to the normal slope break. Unless guardrail is present, typically the graded shoulder width is equal to the usable shoulder width. Once the usable shoulder width is established for a project and the decision has been made to install guardrail, the graded shoulder will need to be widened 3 feet 5 inches beyond the usable shoulder width to accommodate the guardrail installation. With the guardrail’s face located along the outside of the usable shoulder, the additional graded width provides 2 feet of soil backing behind the guardrail posts. If installing 2 feet of graded shoulder behind the posts is impractical, longer guardrail posts can be utilized.
For a discussion of shoulder width and slope, see the HKP article, Roadway Design Elements (coming soon).
Do not install guardrail posts in structural pavements that will restrict post movement during impact.

3.8 Lateral Placement of Guardrail Beyond the Shoulder

In some cases, guardrail may be installed closer to an obstacle rather than at the roadway shoulder edge. Installations of this type reduce the length of rail needed to shield the obstacle. Placing guardrail farther from the roadway lessens the probability of a vehicle impact. At the same time, when a vehicle strikes a guardrail it may have a higher encroachment angle. This is an undesirable condition.

Lateral placement of guardrail away from the shoulder edge is most applicable when small areas of concern are present (e.g., point-type obstacles such as overhead sign bridge supports and bridge piers).

Carefully select where to place guardrail installations on earthen terrain slopes. Judicious positioning will minimize the likelihood of an errant vehicle vaulting over a guardrail and improve the guardrail’s performance. MGS can be placed at any position on a slope (relative to the slope only) if the slope in front of the barrier is flat (i.e., 10:1 or flatter). This also applies to areas in front of the flared section of guardrail and the area approaching terminal ends.

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Guardrail should not be placed on a steep slope. For slopes steeper than 10:1, see the HKP article, High-Tension Cable Barrier (coming soon).

3.9 Lateral Placement of Guardrail at Curb Face

While the use of curbs with guardrails is discouraged, curbs more than 6 inches in height should not be used with guardrail. By themselves, curbs typically cannot redirect vehicles, except for very low speed impacts. Placing a curb near guardrail can result in a vehicle vaulting over the barrier. The following guidance can assist in planning curb type and guardrail placement when the use of guardrail/curb combinations is unavoidable:

• For design or posted speeds of 45 mph and less:

o Construct the guardrail so its face is flush with the curb’s face. Avoid locating a curb in front of a guardrail. Consider reducing the curb height to 4 inches and stiffening the rail to reduce vaulting potential. (see Section 5.1, Strengthening Guardrail).

o If it is not practical to install the guardrail flush with the face of the curb, construct the guardrail with a minimum offset of 6 feet from the curb’s face to the guardrail’s face.

• For design or posted speeds greater than 45 mph:

o Facility designs should omit curbs. However, a mountable curb may be used at the edge of the shoulder if necessary. If guardrail is needed in this situation, construct it so the rail’s face is flush with the curb’s face.

5.1 Strengthening Guardrail

Occasionally a guardrail system must be strengthened to reduce the design deflection distance. For example, a transition section is needed where a guardrail attaches to the approach end of a rigid concrete bridge rail (See the HKP article, Barrier Classifications (coming soon)). A guardrail must be stiffened if a rigid object obstacle is present within the design deflection distance. Standard installations can be modified using the following techniques to strengthen the guardrail:

• Add a rubrail
• Install additional posts (reducing the post spacing) (See MGS Working Width Table in Section 3.11.)
• Use extra length posts (e.g., 7-foot or 9-foot posts, not the standard post length of 6 feet)
• Use thicker gauge posts (e.g., 10-gauge posts instead of 12-gauge posts)
• Double nest the rail
• Bolt a W-beam to back of the posts

For extra length posts and nested guardrail, quantities should be measured and bid items provided. Consult Section 719 of the Standard Specifications for Road and Bridge Construction for additional information. Where extra strength is needed different methods may be combined (e.g., when the area of concern is near the back of rail).

5.2 Transitions and Connectors

A guardrail is classified as a semi-rigid barrier due to its deflection distance upon crash impact (see the HKP article, Roadside Safety (coming soon), for a discussion on barrier categories). A transition section is needed when a guardrail connects to a rigid barrier (e.g., bridge railing or concrete barrier) or rigid object (e.g., bridge pier or sign structure). The transition should provide a gradual, continuous stiffening of the guardrail system from a less rigid to more rigid system. This reduces or prevents a vehicle from snagging or punching through the barrier. Use of a cast-in-place anchor or through-bolt connection is recommended to ensure the connections are as strong as the barrier itself.

Use TL-2 or TL-3 Thrie-Beam Guardrail Transitions to connect W-beam guardrail to concrete bridge rails, rigid barriers, or rigid objects. The TL-2 railing transition should be used when speeds are 45 mph or less. The TL-3 railing transition must be used when speeds are over 45 mph. For more details, see Standard Drawings Nos. BHS-013 and BHS-014.

Historically, the Guardrail Connector to Bridge End Type A was used on both bridge ends on undivided highways and on the approach bridge ends of divided highways. A Guardrail Connector to Bridge End Type A1 was used on the exit bridge ends of divided highways. A Guardrail Connector to Bridge End Type D was applied on each end of a bridge on which a sidewalk was present or its installation was proposed on the structure (and not on the roadway). This only applied to rural structures having two-direction traffic with a sidewalk.

Type A, A1, and D connectors are no longer installed on new highway construction. When repairing or restoring existing concrete barrier wall and these guardrail connectors, see Standard Drawings RBC-004, RBC-005, RBC-05N, and RBC-006. Refer to the RBB and RBC series of Standard Drawings in the HKP article, Bridge Railings and Transitions (coming soon), for more details.

On some retrofit projects use of standard guardrail connectors may not be appropriate. Contact Central Office Division of Maintenance for guidance.

5.3 Delineation of Guardrail

Delineators must be installed on new guardrail. Standard Drawing No. RBR-055 (Delineators for Guardrail) illustrates delineator elements, placement, and spacing. Section 830 of the Standard Specifications addresses retroreflective requirements for guardrail delineators.
The District is responsible for deciding (1) whether to install new delineators on existing guardrail systems which lack delineation or (2) whether it is necessary to replace existing guardrail delineation due to non-reflective and/or missing delineators. High-priority locations for guardrail delineation include curves and ramps on freeways and expressways, as well as guardrail sections located in the median. The District may elect to place delineation to indicate openings at entrances on highways.

Where a guardrail end treatment adjacent to the roadway is marked, a Type 3 object marker is typically used. Alternating stripes of Type 3 object markers should slope downward, toward the side on which traffic is to pass. Generally, the end treatment manufacturer supplies Type 3 object markers. Use retroreflective sheeting that conforms to the size of the approach end.

5.4 Double Faced Guardrail Installation

Double-faced guardrail has two W-beam rails configured as a single beam on each side of post. It is typically used in the median in place of concrete barriers, particularly when the required shielding length is relatively short. Double-faced guardrail is also used when a guardrail may be exposed to impacts from either side. When installed near the pavement edge, it is critical for the area between the posts to be free of asphalt.

5.5 Extra Blockouts

On longitudinal guardrail installations, double blockouts (up to 16 inches deep) may be used to increase the post offset to avoid obstacles such as curbs. There is no limit on the number of posts that can have double blockouts installed.
Do not employ double blockouts for transitions and terminals, unless approved by the manufacturer. Under special circumstances (e.g., avoiding buried obstacles that are not relocated), additional blockouts may be installed to obtain up to 24 inches of clearance (three 8-inch blockouts or two 12-inch blockouts) for one or two posts in a section of guardrail. Standard Drawing RBR-031 (Guardrail End Treatment Type 3 Pipe Drainage Detail) offers an example of using extra blockouts.

5.6 Omitted Post

Omit a post only under special circumstances and only on a standard run of guardrail. Omitting a post requires the construction engineer’s approval.
Single posts may be omitted along runs of MGS W-beam guardrail without the system needing modification (i.e., no weakened posts, no nested rail elements, no special posts). Always consider the following issues before taking this step:
1. At least 50 feet is required between omitted posts, a terminal, or other special design.
2. Omitted posts cannot be used within transitions, terminals, or special designs.
3. No curbs are present where guardrails are installed.
4. Additional deflection resulting from the omitted post.

5.7 Short Radius Curved Guardrail at Intersections and Driveways

Occasionally, an intersecting side road or driveway is located so close to a side obstacle that installing a minimum length MASH TL-3 guardrail is infeasible. This most occurs often at bridge ends. A short radius curved guardrail installation may accommodate this situation. See Standard Drawing RBI-001 for more details.
Keep the following in mind when designing a short-radius curved guardrail:
• Installations at intersections and driveways can create nuisance hit problems for turning traffic (e.g., tractor trailers turning off of or onto side roads, farm implements turning into and out of field entrances). Check turning patterns to ensure a guardrail installation will not significantly affect turning movements.
• Installations at intersections and driveways can obstruct motorist sight, especially if the side road or entrance is at or near the crest of a vertical curve. Perform sight distance analysis for both plan and profile views to determine what effects guardrail installation may have on motorist line-of-sight.

5.8 Guardrail in Border Area Behind Curb

On roadways where the design speed is between 30 and 45 mph and there is a curb adjacent to the traveled way (e.g., urban and suburban roadways), keep the border area free of obstacles. Any decision to use a guardrail within the border area should be informed by careful evaluation. A guardrail used in the border area should present less of a hazard than the obstacle it shields. See Chapter 10 of AASHTO’s Roadside Design Guide for further guidance on clear zones in urban areas.

5.9 Guardrail Posts in Rock

Use the appropriate omitted-post design (as discussed above) if rock is present where a single guardrail post is to be installed. If rock is present at several points where posts will be installed, place the posts in cored holes (see Section 719.03.01 of the Standard Specifications for Road and Bridge Construction).

5.10 Acidic Fill Material

When shales are used in embankment fill sections, acidic shale is generally encased inside the embankment. At least 4 feet of nondurable shale or clay soil should be placed atop the embankment to control the corrosion of guardrail posts. It may be appropriate to install corrosion-resistant guardrail posts. See Special Note 8N Corrosion Resistant Guardrail and the Geotechnical Guidance Manual GT-609-5 on Acid-Producing Shales.

5.11 Retention of Soil Backfill

Horizontal lagging walls are often used for temporary or permanent retention of soil material and other backfill. Lagging may consist of wood, guardrail, or geogrid. When backfill is placed or compacted behind the guardrail wall, it is imperative that rails not to be damaged.

Lagging has traditionally been designed based on experience or empirical methods. (e.g., the Federal Highway Administration uses the Goldberg Zoino chart). Contact the Geotechnical Branch for more information.

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